Pants Pants Revolution: Stouffer's Salisbury Steak with Lukas (Ep 65)

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This week we welcome Lukas—Max's old pal, first-time guest, and a man who claims to have eaten Stouffer's Salisbury Steak with Mac and Cheese approximately 500 times.

It turns out Lukas knows the right way to eat this meal—a method involving a fork, some patience, and a mixing (or revolution, if you will) that transforms the contents of two tray compartments into one glorious, gravy-soaked mess.

Before the steak, there's the matter of what's in Lukas's freezer. Jeans. And trash. There’s apparently a whole science (or pseudo science) to freezing your denim instead of washing it.

Then: Dr. James Salisbury once fed men nothing but baked beans and oatmeal until they were “very flatulent,” then prescribed chopped beef as a revolutionary remedy. He also brought his "muscle pulp of beef" to the Union Army during the Civil War, where diarrhea was killing more soldiers than cannon fire. Darren reports from the encampment.

In the news: a woman in Oregon is suing Trader Joe's after finding a rubber glove tip in her juice—and wondering if the glove’s former contents is in her stomach. And: a frozen food manufacturer has filed for bankruptcy. Darren explains the difference between Chapters 7 and 11—because apparently he doesn’t get to talk enough at home.

In the closing segment: it's cinco de mayo, and the packaging of Kozy Shack Crème Caramel Flan explicitly says "Do Not Freeze." We didn’t listen. Do we ever?

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FROST BITES

To Freeze or Not to Freeze: So, it turns out that cleaning jeans in the freezer has been debunked. A home freezer doesn't get cold enough to kill bacteria—it just puts them to sleep. The moment those jeans warm up, the bacteria wake up like nothing happened. That said, Lukas isn’t alone. Levi Strauss pushed this freezing idea mainstream in 2011, and their CEO doubled down in 2014. The actual logic applies to raw denim, where repeated washing fades the color and breaks down the fabric. So freezing won't clean your jeans. But if you've got a pair you wanna keep looking like new, go ahead and freeze your bottom.

If It Quacks Like a Doc: Sure we make shit up sometimes, but we tell you when we do. This time, we didn’t: during the Civil War, diarrhea and dysentery killed more soldiers than cannon fire. Two-thirds of all Civil War deaths came from disease, not battle. Doc Salisbury wasn't just a beef-crazed quack—he was responding to a genuine crisis. After the war, Salisbury published his findings, prescribed up to four pounds of beef and five pints of hot water daily, and accidentally invented one of the earliest American fad diets. The carnivore bros on your timeline owe him a steak.

Cinco de mayo, my oh my: Quick civics lesson, Mexican style. Cinco de mayo celebrates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862. It is not Mexican Independence Day—that's September 16th. In Mexico it's mostly a regional holiday in Puebla. In the U.S. it’s become a much broader celebration of Mexican culture. Think Patriots' Day from last month: a very big deal in one place, a reason to party (or fiesta ) everywhere else.

All Roads Lead to Flan: Flan traces its origin back to ancient Rome, where eggs from recently domesticated chickens led to lots of new dishes including custards. Early flan was savory—think fish and meat, sweetened with honey. When the Roman Empire fell, flan survived and spread across Europe. The Spanish were the first to add caramelized sugar. When Hernán Cortés arrived in the Yucatan in 1518, flan came with him. Over time, Mexican cooks ran with it—adding coffee, chocolate, and coconut variations and turning it into an everyday dish. All so we could ignore the warnings and freeze it.

YOUR COLD CUTS

Lukas has been eating his Stouffer’s Salisbury steak the same way since he was a teen. Do you have a special method for eating something that nobody else would understand? A food ritual you've never told anyone about? We want to know.

And while you're at it: what's in your freezer right now? Jeans? Trash? Something we don't even want to know about? Hit us up on the Let's Chill page and let us know!

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